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Изходен канал @clockstackwheels · Post #61 · 1.07

Посмотрел дебаты Панчина и Редько, где первый топил за вакцинацию, а второй — против конкретно вакцинации от ковида в текущий момент. Панчина я знаю давно (не лично, хотя видел его пару раз), и он говорит непротиворечивые вещи, которые согласуются с моими собственными наблюдениями за тем, как устроен мир. При этом его оппонент держался не слишком уверенно, не обладал стройной речью, говорил сбивчиво и путался, использовал терминологию в стиле «Вы всё врёте» и упомянул, что смотрит Соловьева. Ну и оговорка (?) про «лохокост» тоже очень резанула уши. Для меня исход дебатов очевиден: победа Панчина с большим отрывом Точнее даже фактически дебаты толком не состоялись, потому что хорошей дискуссии я не увидел. Но, если посмотреть объективно, то оппоненты говорили о вещах, в которых я не разбираюсь, и истинность/ложность многих посылов гарантированно подтвердить не могу. То есть чисто гипотетически возможно, что это не тёмный Редько нёс ерунду, а на самом деле языкастый Панчин заговорил всем зубы. Потом я подумал, а существует ли способ, не обучая меня 20 лет на врача, относительно надежно дать мне возможность разобраться, где тут правда? И, пожалуй, ответ нет. Более того — даже обучая, всё равно нет. А проблема тут в том, что люди отрицают даже вполне объективные вещи, если только их нельзя строго научно обосновать. Если можно -- тоже отрицают, но с такими людьми можно ни в какие дебаты не вступать. А вот если не было проведено исследование о том, что вода мокрая, то спуск по дереву абстракции до этого аргумента всё равно не позволит надёжно свой постулат подтвердить и оппоненту и слушателям. А есть исследование, что вода мокрая? Можно ли доверять этому исследованию? А мне знакомый гидролог сказал, что не мокрая. И у моего друга не мокрая. И вообще, вы же понимаете, лёд это тоже вода, а он не совсем мокрый. Я это на своей сфере остро чувствую. В чатах разработчиков, допустим, теоретически все являются компетентными специалистами, а по факту всё равно всерьёз возникают заявления о том, что, например, система типов в JavaScript -- логичная и предсказуемая, что абстрактные классы не нужны, что не обязательно ставить пробелы вокруг операторов, что отсутствие array-helper'ов в Go это благо и так далее. Впрочем, в комментариях под дебатами на ютубе справедливо раскритиковали, что ведущей следовало сделать хотя бы минимальный факт-чекинг по результатам. А то дебатирующие просто обвиняли друг друга во лжи, и в общем случае произвольному слушателю надёжно понять, кто из них прав, было нельзя. #life

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@aseanrussia · Post #1653 · 30.05.2025 г., 06:47

🎙 Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks at the meeting with delegation of the Permanent Committee of the International Conference of Asian Political Parties (Perm, May 29, 2025) 💬 Sergey Lavrov: Dear colleagues, dear friends, This is the year when the International Conference of Asian Political Parties commemorates its 25th anniversary. And because of their reputation and their authority, they are a platform for exchanging views and experience in the context of party-to-party cooperation. Cooperation at this level is one of our priorities. It's a very useful addition to the so-called classical diplomacy and that contributes a lot to promoting mutual trust, mutual understanding between peoples. The creation of the conference is a signal, a very clear signal to the entire world. And very timely response to reconsider the place of the Asian countries in international and global developments. We assess very positively the increase of the political work of your conference. And we see with pleasure the sustainable process of expanding your influence in the continental architecture, in the architecture of regional organizations, some of which are experiencing erosion of their influence, if not degradation, since they abandoned practically all of the key principles of the UN Charter. I have in mind such organizations on our Eurasian continent as the European Union, which became more Euro-Atlantic than Eurasian following NATO. <...> In the last 10-15 years, all these principles including equal and indivisible security, including the statement that no one, be it the country or organization, should prepare to dominate in Europe, all this was abandoned, violated. 🌐 We need Eurasia of course. And by the way, Eurasia is the biggest, the richest continent. The continent which, unlike Africa and Latin America, is home of several world civilizations with thousands and thousands of years of history. <...> #Eurasia is the only continent which doesn't have any universal continental structure, like African Union in Africa, like CELAC in Latin America. We have quite a lot, many integrational movements, organizations which address security issues, like Shanghai Cooperation Organization, #ASEAN, Collective Security Treaty Organization (#CSTO), Commonwealth of Independent States (#CIS) and the Gulf Cooperation Council (#GCC), the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (#SAARC) and there is no umbrella. We are very much in favor of promoting party-to-party dialogue. Our ruling party, United Russia, in cooperation with other parliamentary parties and their fractions is promoting very actively this kind of cooperation. And I will highlight the initiative of United Russia of last year, when they convened a meeting of various parties to consider methods of fighting the new forms of colonialism and neo-colonialism. <...> A movement created on the basis of the conference, which is called "Freedom of Nations". ☝️ The inadmissibility of neo-colonial forms of exploitation is one of the agenda items of the Group of Friends of the UN Charter. Last year, we initiated, through this group, the resolution of the UN Committee on Decolonization. The draft resolution supported by this committee was accepted by the UN General Assembly. <..> A clear majority supported it. The idea is to announce the 14th of December, the day of the adoption of The Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples of 1960, as a date of fighting the new forms of neo-colonialism. Сolonial exploitation was very blunt. Slaves, you know, digging the resources and leaving the countries in very poor condition. If you take the economic system in the world, countries, especially in Africa, mostly produce, they provide natural resources to the western countries We would like to promote the movement to resolve this injustice. Without fighting any country, we never want to isolate any country from cooperation, but cooperation must be based on equal footing, just principles. 🤝 We express our readiness to cooperate with your conference.

🎙 Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks at the meeting with delegation of the Permanent Committee of the International Conference of Asian Political Parties (Perm, May 29, 2025) 💬 Sergey Lavrov: Dear colleagues, dear friends, This is the year when the International Conference of Asian Political Parties commemorates its 25th anniversary. And because of their reputation and their authority, they are a platform for exchanging views and experience in the context of party-to-party cooperation. Cooperation at this level is one of our priorities. It's a very useful addition to the so-called classical diplomacy and that contributes a lot to promoting mutual trust, mutual understanding between peoples. The creation of the conference is a signal, a very clear signal to the entire world. And very timely response to reconsider the place of the Asian countries in international and global developments. We assess very positively the increase of the political work of your conference. And we see with pleasure the sustainable process of expanding your influence in the continental architecture, in the architecture of regional organizations, some of which are experiencing erosion of their influence, if not degradation, since they abandoned practically all of the key principles of the UN Charter. I have in mind such organizations on our Eurasian continent as the European Union, which became more Euro-Atlantic than Eurasian following NATO. <...> In the last 10-15 years, all these principles including equal and indivisible security, including the statement that no one, be it the country or organization, should prepare to dominate in Europe, all this was abandoned, violated. 🌐 We need Eurasia of course. And by the way, Eurasia is the biggest, the richest continent. The continent which, unlike Africa and Latin America, is home of several world civilizations with thousands and thousands of years of history. <...> #Eurasia is the only continent which doesn't have any universal continental structure, like African Union in Africa, like CELAC in Latin America. We have quite a lot, many integrational movements, organizations which address security issues, like Shanghai Cooperation Organization, #ASEAN, Collective Security Treaty Organization (#CSTO), Commonwealth of Independent States (#CIS) and the Gulf Cooperation Council (#GCC), the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (#SAARC) and there is no umbrella. We are very much in favor of promoting party-to-party dialogue. Our ruling party, United Russia, in cooperation with other parliamentary parties and their fractions is promoting very actively this kind of cooperation. And I will highlight the initiative of United Russia of last year, when they convened a meeting of various parties to consider methods of fighting the new forms of colonialism and neo-colonialism. <...> A movement created on the basis of the conference, which is called "Freedom of Nations". ☝️ The inadmissibility of neo-colonial forms of exploitation is one of the agenda items of the Group of Friends of the UN Charter. Last year, we initiated, through this group, the resolution of the UN Committee on Decolonization. The draft resolution supported by this committee was accepted by the UN General Assembly. <..> A clear majority supported it. The idea is to announce the 14th of December, the day of the adoption of The Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples of 1960, as a date of fighting the new forms of neo-colonialism. Сolonial exploitation was very blunt. Slaves, you know, digging the resources and leaving the countries in very poor condition. If you take the economic system in the world, countries, especially in Africa, mostly produce, they provide natural resources to the western countries We would like to promote the movement to resolve this injustice. Without fighting any country, we never want to isolate any country from cooperation, but cooperation must be based on equal footing, just principles. 🤝 We express our readiness to cooperate with your conference.